Lesson One - Sharetime?

Okay, so like many using this forum I‘m guessing, I am undertaking Amethyst’s course in inclusive Wicca, and I’ve been reading the book and trying to complete the exercises. I have thought about the distinction between Wicca and witchcraft, and Paganism, and it isn’t hard to find the opinions of others on this (ie there is none, it’s all evil), but I wanted to know how others who are actually in the Wiccan tradition answered this. I do not know many Wiccans other than those I have met in high school and of course, through Amethyst but of course I have a relatively infinite resource at my fingertips thanks to the technological mastery (a magick of it’s own if you ask me) of Amethyst and her team.

So my question is, as Wiccans what is your understanding of the difference between Wicca and witchcraft and Paganism?

Also what are your thoughts on reincarnation? Does everyone believe in it? Are there degrees of belief in reincarnation out there?

I ask this because I know my opinions vary from many, or at least from the consensus I have determined from books I have read, but the way we are raised and the way we were introduced to the Path, and to the Lord and Lady determine our understanding of Wicca and how we practice it.

Love n Light

Hotaru

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As for me...

I’ll start by answering my own question:

I was introduced to Wicca when I was a teenager. I had been raised as a Christian, and this religion will always play a role in my life. My father is religious, though doesn’t like to appear this way. My mother is more spiritual, and has dabbled in magick to bad consequences. I first came to the Path through a book I read that made sense to me, though it was friends I had becoming Wiccan and Pagan that cemented my faith. These friends were all supported by their families in their choices, where mine still don’t fully know.

These factors have influenced me to appoint where I understand Wicca to be a religion that recognises the inherent duality in everyone and everything, from which comes the gender balanced deity (or deities depending on how anthropomorphic you choose to make your faith). The Great Mother who raises us, loves us and helps us emotionally through life, is present in the Earth and the Moon. The Father who drives and motivates us, influences our physical direction through life is present in the Sky, Universe and Sun. By appreciating and acknowledging these things, we appreciate and acknowledge our Mother and Father. As we do our birth parents, we seek love and praise from our Great Mother and Father by loving, praising and pleasing them. A way of doing this is to use magick in ritual, calling and sending energies to change the world around us.

It is unfortunate that the word witchcraft comes attached with so much stigma that I still cannot avoid. I am still somewhat discomforted by the idea of witchcraft as I understand this concept to refer more to creating physical change in the earth and influencing outside of ourselves as opposed to changing things about ourselves that will change our perspectives and gradually change our position in the world, thereby changing the world that way. I do not consider myself a witch, because my devotion to Wicca is derived from the relationship with deity and the communication as opposed to the spellcrafting, though I am a tarot reader. Paganism is to me, as Amethyst has said, the attachment of deity to the physical, the tangible and worshipping deity through worshipping the physical symbols of that deity.

Reincarnation is another thing my Christian upbringing is causing me to have trouble comprehending. I have come to believe now that I believe every spirit is brought to this Earth to learn a specific lesson. Once we have learned this lesson, or have passed the point where we have missed our given opportunity to learn it, we die. Once we have learned all the lessons over our spiritual soul timeline then we can stay with the Goddess in the Avalon (or the Summerland, Heaven, Hades etc), until then though we must return to the Earth as humans. Additionally, I do not believe time plays a role in reincarnation. Time is a manmade way of bringing linearity and order to a simple series of events that occur as the Goddess wills. Therefore, after my time in this life is over, I can be reincarnated back in the 1950s or 1600s, wherever and whenever it is best for me to learn that lesson my soul must on the way to completion.

Ok, so I’m big on the sharing, but I am generally interested in everyone’s understanding and beliefs, even arguments with my opinions. We are all made differently, so will have different ideas. What does everyone think?

"Love is how it feels to recognize our essential unity. Awakening to oneness is the experience of Big Love. Knowing you are one with all, you find yourself in love with all." —Timothy Freke
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RE: As for me

Hello Hotaru and welcome to O and M!!!!  This path can be and sometimes is just spiritual path for some.  I came here myself looking for deity not how to cast a spell.  That said, I now follow both paths. It started with a basic visualization exercise you will get to in lesson two.  I did it and then because my life was in chaos I focused that lesson on simply protecting myself, my home, and my family.  I poured good thoughts into it with all the intent and hope and faith in deity I could muster.  Slowly over months my life has changed.  I pray almost daily. I do cast a circle now and then.  But the magick I use, and that is limited, I use to fix myself.  More than any other religion I have ever been in and I could fill pages telling you about exploring them over 35 years, Wicca has brought about changes in my relationship with my family, the world, my finances, health, and welfare.  There is much more to do but I believe now.  I came here a skeptic, non believer, and in complete shambles.  Amethyst, Wicca, my Gods, and most importantly MY faith and practice has turned my life around!!
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Linear time

A good observation Hotaru about time not being linear.  It may not be and that may well be that we show up in medieval Europe or the dawn of civilization somewhere in Africa.  But those observations you made will become your own personal philosophy.  They mirror mine but may not even touch another students ideas on reincarnation.  A friend of mine once told me that (he is an astrologer) that we are born once for each house of the zodiac and when all twelve houses are done then our lesson here is done.  But what ever you believe must fit your own needs.  None of us are Gods, (that I am aware of) and as such none of us can know the true answers until we cross over and maybe not even then.  So if it suits you to believe in reincarnation then by all means believe!
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linear time

Hi, I am a strong believer in re-incarnation and have not yet had good opportunitites to discuss this subject with my friends and family, somehow the subject keeps getting changed and I'm certainly not going to push it and insist on thier opinion.  You certainly are the first person I have heard say that it may be possible to be reincarnated back into any era. Somehow a part of me believes in this as well. I also think sometimes (?) we are involved in that choice. I also believe that the dimensions of time are many. I sense that not only am I living this life, typing this right now, but my spiritual being is also happening in a different dimension that is unseen in this time as we know it. I remember how excited I was about the movie 'sliding doors' as this is probably the best way I can explain myself. (not the story - just the concept) I don't think I'll ever understand how it works as I am not a scholar of any kind, I am a worker a leader and a builder, that's it.  Nor do I expect to have enough time on my hands to study these subjects in great details.  I am hoping in time through reading and further education I can have more answers and more educated guesses (if this is even possible lol). People look at me a bit puzzled and the most productive answers I ever get is "well anythings possible, who really knows".   I want to discuss your other thoughts as well and will post as time permits.  It's a pleasure chatting with you.
With Grace, Peace and Love, Samaya ~ Moon To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour. 'William Blake'
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I am also a firm believer in

I am also a firm believer in reincarnation. A couple of years ago my meditation teacher took me on a few journeys which enlightened me on my past lives. There had been many and I felt a profound understanding why many people had commented on me being an old soul or comments such as "She's been here before" which before these meditations scared me. I reached the realisation that there is reincarnation which before that had not really occured to me. I belief that the higher soul is on a journey through many lifetimes, learning a multitude of lessons and gathering knowledge until reaching a state of what I call in my meditations a "knowing"; it is a state where there is no further need of body or any goods, just a merging of one to all that is.

Love and Light

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my beliefs

Hello Hotaru My Name is Sammi, I think that in reincarnation we can be reincarnated not only as humans, but as anything we need to be to learn a certain lesson. I Also define Wicca to be a faith, a religion and a way of life, also like a way to enlightenment. I Believe witchcraft to be ONE way of practicing Wicca, though I'm sure there are other ways we have not discovered as of yet.Paganism is not Wicca itself, but a term used to cover a variety of earth based religions, for example Wicca, shamanism, Asatru, druidism. I have heard of Hinduism and Buddhism being a pagan religion but I'm not sure if this is correct or not. That's my two cents :) Blessings Sammi
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Hello, Hotaru! I don't know

Hello, Hotaru! I don't know if I'll be able to answer your questions elegantly, succinctly, or completely, but I'll give it a try. PARAGRAPH BREAK How I came to Wicca: I once experienced a very beautiful vision which showed me a bigger picture of existence than I had ever imagined. It was my first spiritual experience and it made me a believer in Something, but I didn't know what to call it. So that I could feel comfortable with what had happened and possibly explore those realms further, I went looking for a belief system or philosophy or religion that didn't say that I needed to be exorcised of evil spirits or put on psychiatric medication to control those "delusions", but that accepted and embraced experiences of non-ordinary reality. I immediately thought of Wicca, as something I had been curious about having met a few Wiccans, but didn't know much about. I went to a local New Age bookstore and found a book on Wicca that made a great deal of sense to me, and consider that I am probably Wiccan but hold back on calling myself that officially in case there is anything fundamental to the faith that I've missed in my self-directed study. PARAGRAPH BREAK In that vision which now powers my understanding of Life, the Universe, and Everything, was a sense that we will keep on repeating the same mistakes in our lifetimes until we learn from them; and likely come back to learn again if we don't learn before we die. I came to the understanding that the "time" that I had been obsessed with in daily life (tick-tock, tick-tock) is a very limited understanding, applicable only here on earth, to those who care about clocking in and out of jobs. Time, on that other plane, is-not. All things exist simultaneously. All possibilities exist at once. So now I consider that reincarnation makes a great deal of sense, rounds out the picture of why we are here. I guess we could reincarnate "backward" in time, and spawn parallel universes of possibility with the decisions that we make--how can you change history otherwise?--but that concept just messes with my poor linear-thinking brain. I prefer to think of reincarnating "forward" in time, it's enough for me! :) PARAGRAPH BREAK I still don't know why we are here and how we relate to the Big Something that is bigger than all the gods we have names for. The Big Something is an uninvolved, all-accepting observer which nonetheless infiltrates everything that is. It's like conscious energy, and we are fragments of it. I tend to think of the gods as our efforts to understand that bigger non-understandable Something which encompasses the opposing sets of energetic forces that keep the engines of life-as-we-know-it firing, and embraces all the deities that we make for ourselves. I think that our named deities are simultaneously of our own invention and real and powerful.  A deity is approachable; a deity will be involved in our lives; and a deity will represent one half of a pair of opposites or another:  but what one learns under a deity's tutelage is often learned as a paradox, which is a step to overcoming the idea of irreconcilable opposites.  To receive understanding from a deity is mind-blowing, because it comes to one's conscious awareness through unknown channels. Deities may be expressions of our human collective unconscious (which I suspect does exist though I can't prove it), and represent human wisdom and shared experience with other people we've never met or been alive at the same time as, temporally speaking. It may be that we are channeling the wisdom of the greater conscious energy into our minds.  Like I think I understand Butterfly Spirit saying, I think that we exist in another dimension at the same time as we are living in this everyday awareness. PARAGRAPH BREAK As a physical person I love and honour this planet, but at the same time, it's as though it's a backdrop to a spiritual drama, and everything we see and cherish is just energy taking form, encoded with instructions on how to continue to take form--all an illusion made by Something which is conscious energy. PARAGRAPH BREAK I know I'm reaching here, but I am on the path in order to understand. I didn't say that I'd mastered everything! I'm going to shut up now before I put my feet any further into my mouth.

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Okay, shorter answer! :)

As for Wicca vs. Witchcraft vs. Neo-Paganism:  I know I come across as some sort of word-nerd, but in the long run [looks left and right][whispers] I think it doesn't matter too much, so long as you have a definition that you are comfortable with, and it helps if you can find at least one dictionary entry that will back you up.  There is something to be said for reclaiming words.  Besides, even if we make up a brand new word to describe ourselves, all it would take is for people to start using it as a dirty word, and it would become one.  Definition comes through usage.  Use your choice of names proudly!


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my two cents!

Ok, my turn! Lol! So, I want to express my ideas on reincarnation. I was very intrigued by your idea that we could go back in time in our future lives. What an interesting thought! I'm going to think on that one a bit. I can tell you without doubt that I beieve in reincarnation because I talked about one of my past lives in detail when I was just three years old. My mom said it kinda freaked her out but she listened and tried to understand. Apparently I would get very frustrated with her when she could not "remember" when I was a boy and went to high school. :) I told her about my life in California (I have never been). I talked about and named my sisters and mother. I played football and I went to high school. I have a feeling that I returned quickly. Maybe the detail I had was due to the fact that I was not gone for very long. I also have always had an interest in Ireland. Even from when I was a young girl I was mesmerized by anything Irish and I always felt like I belonged there. I have visualization of my self as a young woman in Ireland, more of a peasent than royalty. I feel I was single with no children and I must have died young. I also feel like I have been with my daughter before in a past life.

In general I think we get to choose when to come back. We keep coming back until our purpose is fulfilled. Once that purpose is fulfilled we graduate to a higher plane of existance. I love to think about things like what if we not only come back but what if we come back to a different planet? For instance there could be thousands of planets just like earth out in space and we could all go to the same place in death but end up on one of thousands of planets when we come back. How crazy would that be?!

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My Thoughts On Your Query

Merry Meet Hotaru.

I am happy with calling myself Pagan, Wiccan, & Witch

I come from a predominantly Christian back ground when I was raised - but also with the spiritual side of Maori beliefs underlying it on my mothers side.  However, as in most cases the christian side of things made anything other seem evil & to be avoided.

I did dabble with Magick in my teens without knowing what I was doing & got burnt & pretty much thought along the same lines about the evilness myself for a while - but see now it was more being too immature & unprepared (I don't blame the car if a kid got in it without knowing how to drive & ended up killing himself or others - I'd think it more a result of the child not knowing what they were doing).

I went back to christianity for a while as I've always felt there is more out there than just living & dying - but thanks to a number of pagan friends I've met along the way (& a brilliant book called The Secret that let me put out my own feelers) I started soul searching & eventually found myself here - Christianity may work for some people - but I know it's not my path. I am personally glad to be rid of beliefs that had me feeling guilty for wanting anything or doing something, or thinking about doing something etc.. It truly has been a removal of a huge lodestone off my back. 

I also believe in reincarnation - I can't give the full answer to what extent as we seem to forget much when we come here - I am thinking or hoping it's more along the lines of going there to learn your lessons which we choose before we come down - I agree & believe in the linear thing as the concept of time as we know it is a very human thing relevant to our current material plane - I also think we may choose to be spirit guides if we are at a level to do so, or move to higher planes & vibrations still & totally beyond our current understanding.

I personally dont think we come back as lesser creatures or anything - it's a very upward scale kind of thing in my mind - so I'm doubitn I'll be coming back as a duck, lettuce, or lobster next time around.

Sorry this is a bit garbled, but hopefully helps give a bit of feedback from my side on your query.

Love & Light & Blessings Bright..


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"Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will" - A. Crowley

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wiccae

Hello again,

I really like your outlook on wicca as a religion and the practice of witchcraft. I agree it is not wise to cause disturbances for personal gain.  I do however practice witchcraft to increase my own energies and environment in respects that I ask for things for myself, my family and loved friends. Energy must be used and it is supposed to be recycled.  I think of this like when I have so much built up energy I have to dance it off or sing it off for example. If we don't use the energies in the universe it might explode like i do sometimes!!! (hehe). I would really like to think that my witchcraft NEVER harms anyone, I just recycle the already recycled energies in the air.  I especially don't like it when I read stories about love spells and manipulative spells because that is a selfish personal gain at another persons expense. My spells and magick workings have nothing to do with manipulations but rather the imagination to put something to use to achieve my goals. I just look and ask for opportunities. Lazyness is not in my nature and I believe we must all physically work for what we want, we can't just sit around casting spells all day wishing we had whatever it is we want. But I can ask for my guides and call upon different angels/spirits to present opportunities to me clearer or lead me to them so I can work through it and get to the other side where i need to be. I hope I am on the right track with this conversation !!!!  So getting back to wicca as a religion, I think it is important we are wiccae if we practice witchcraft so we do remember the rules of 'harm none' and the law of return. If we sit in the oven we are going to cook, that's a simple rule, just like the wiccan rules are simple to me. Overall I am a witch because I used to practice witchcraft before I even realised I was doing it, I am pagan because I've always believed in the laws of the earth and of the universe and all of the Gods before I really knew I wanted the religion of wiccae in my life.  Good Post and thanks very much for the thoughts xoxo  

With Grace, Peace and Love, Samaya ~ Moon To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour. 'William Blake'
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My opinion

Hi! I was introduced to Wicca at a young age, 13 and the girls i practiced with weren't actually into it at all, they watched that movie the craft and thought it was real. what is worse is they wanted to do black magic, and they tried, lots of times. I got out of it pretty early but not before one girl tried to write a spell to kill someone she was mad at. A lot of people think witches are people that can do magic. I am a firm believer that wicca is the religion witchcraft is how you practice it. The fundamentals of the Wiccan traidtion is what we all live our lives by, the rede and the rule of karma. When we practice, when we cast our circles and do our own witchcraft that is us practicing our religion and to me that is what witchcraft it. I believe wholeheartdley in reincarnation, i think you live many lifetimes over and when someone dies they are not really gone, just moving on to the next stage in their ever turning lives.

Blessings

Stephanie

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Wicca, Witchcraft & Reincarnation

I have to jump in too! I was raised in a Christian household but pretty loosey goosey. Not to strict or structured, just there.  I always felt like there was something "more" out there. Christianity is just too rigid, too monotheistic & just didn't fit my view of the world. To me and as Amethyst says in her book, Wicca is the religion & witchcraft is how we do it. I absolutely beleive in reincarnation & think that we move to the Summerland to rest until something pulls at us to move out into the world again.There does seem to be a lot of incorrect information out there about what a pagan or a witch is. My well-read friends know what wicca is and the othere have a vague idea of what it is. So far, I have not personally met anyone who thinks Wicca involves devil or satan worship but certainly those folks are out there.

one witch's opinion ;>D marion


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Another with a Christian background...

MM Hotaru,

I was pleased to see another person whose Christian background remains "in play" somwhat, as does mine.  I could really relate to what you were saying.

As for the Wicca/Witchcraft thing, I have different moods on different days.  Some days, I'm excited, thrilled and fascinated to call myself "witch".  Other days, I hear a whisper from my more fundamentalist christian days about witchcraft being "evil", and it makes me feel a little uneasy about using the terms. Mainly it's a concern about "what would others think?".  My dad is deeply Catholic and I don't know how he would feel about this at all. My mother is into shamanism and would probably be slightly more open to it, but I still don't know how she would feel about the word "witch". My sister knows something of it and is entirely supportive. My partner is an atheist, is aware of my path and really doesn't care, as long as I don't go carving pentagrams into the front door or casting circles in the local park. That means I can't really share it with him, but it also means that he won't interfere or try to bible-bash me (I have a theology post-grad, so he'd lose anyway), so it's okay. Basically, I keep it to myself.

About reincarnation: I don't know where I got this particular belief or how it came to me, but what I believe in quite strongly is the concept of free will. Concerning reincarnation, that means that I will have the choice to decide whether or not I want to be reincarnated. I very firmly do not believe in it as a form of punishment, or repayment of karmic debt, or the endless circling on some samsaric Wheel; I believe it is one of a number of possible choices we can make when it comes time for each of us to sit down with God/Goddess/Universe/Source/Whoever and discuss life, the universe and everything over some coffee and cake (or maybe some fine aged port).

For some reason, I have always believed that I've been around before, probably a number of times, and I've also always believed that this will be my last time.  That's not because I think I know it all and have nothing left to learn: it's just because I don't really feel inclined to go through another round of this again! But who knows?  That may change.  I may come to the end of my life and feel like I've just come off some giant, crazy waterslide, and find myself running to the Universal Parent and saying, "Mummy, Daddy, can I please please please, pretty pleeeeease do that one again?"

BB )0(

Rivertiger

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Post Script: My thoughts on Time and Eternity

One more thing....

This is how I've always thought of eternity:

In Eternity, there is no "time", because ALL Time exists at once.

In Eternity, there is no "Change", because ALL Change, ALL Possibility, and ALL Choice, exists at once.

Maybe we are all living all of our lives, and all of our incarnations (and reincarnations) all at once, at this moment?

Maybe every "sliding doors" choice we make causes a shift from one soul-path-possibility to another?

Maybe we keep reincarnating until we have consciously experienced every single one of our soul-path-possibilities, in completion?

Maybe I'd better go now before my brain implodes?

BB )0(

Rivertiger

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eternity

Looove your post re Eternity :)

hehe yes it is all rather imploding sometimes thinking so many parellel universes of time exist xoxo i love it!

With Grace, Peace and Love, Samaya ~ Moon To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour. 'William Blake'
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test

testing - why i got an n/a instead of my sign off?  hmmm still there in preview?

With Grace, Peace and Love, Samaya ~ Moon To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour. 'William Blake'
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REINCARNATION

MY VIEWS ON REINCARNATION ARE WHEN OUR PHYSICAL BODY DIES OUR SPIRIT REMAINS, AND MOVES ON TO ANOTHER PHYSICAL BEING. SOME PEOPLE BELEIVE THAT COULD BE ANIMALS, HUMANS, OR ANYTHING IN NATURE. ME OPINION OF IT IS WE MOVE ONTO ANOTHER PERSON OR LIFE. AS WE MOVE FROM LIFE TO LIFE OR SPIRIT GROWS STRONGER AND STRONGER. I ALSO BELEIVE THAT THE STRONGER YOUR SPIRIT THE HARDER THAT LIFE MAY BE, BECAUSE A PERSON HAS TO HAVE A STRONG SPIRIT TO DEAL WITH HARSH THINGS THAT MAY HAPPEN. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE BELEIVE IN REINCARNATION.

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That's an interesting

That's an interesting thought, RiverTiger--we're living our various incarnations simultaneously, because of course, there is no linear time in soul-land.  Maybe that's how we somehow come to "know" things we have no reason to know; it's our alternate-life selves communicating with us.  But hmmmm...wouldn't it be strange if you met another of your simultaneous incarnations!

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Oh my...

Wow Rivertiger, I loved this post. I was thinking the exact same thing on my way to work on Friday. I had this sudden moment where I thought what if everyone is me? What if every person I am seeing right now is a version of me having made a slightly (or very) different choice and thereby been lead down an entirely different path.

Then I thought: 'Of course they are all me. We're all part of the One Entity (God/Goddess/Source, whatever you call it) and so we *must* all be one!' Then my brain started to hurt and I tried not to think on it anymore *lol*

Blessings,

Gwennie

Brightest blessings, Michelle (formerly Gwennie) http://aspiralpath.wordpress.com/
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avatar

MM RiverTiger. I love your avatar. It is lovely.

marion

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By George, I think she's got it

What you said just hit me between the eyes, Gwennie.  Posit:  everyone else IS you, and we are all shards of the Source.  (This is where the "Thou art God/dess" exercise comes into play.)  We are the Source experimenting with its own energies.  Blessed Be from another aspect of yourself, Gwennie!  ;) LOL

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MM Gwennie, It's really

MM Gwennie,


It's really funny, but I was actually thinking that same thing myself as well after I wrote my last post. What if every person I see in another incarnation of myself, and I'm another incarnation of every other person?

What if we all get to reincarnate as each other, so we all get to experience everyone else's point of view?

And then, add in all those soul-path-possibilities and "sliding doors-type" choices......

And then, if you add in all the plants, the animals, the insects.......

[Cue brain-ache]

BB )o(

Rivertiger

 

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Re: avatar

MM Marion,


Thankyou. :)

I put it together after I found my craft name. I'm glad you like it!

BB )o(

Rivertiger

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Hmmmmm....

Isn't that called a "doppelgangar"? ;)

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genius!

juneberrywine you have just made my day with your last two posts.

More specifically, the point about words come from usage not aexternal allocation. I heard a speaker who is a lexicographer and her entire lecture was a bout how a dictionary was a prison for words, we should be able to just make up new words and as long as we can define them, use them at our will. It is the Goddess' words that are charged with power, words themselves are magickal and who are we to confine them to one meaning at one time in one context?

You are definitely right, as long as we know what the terms mean to us then what difference does it make. "If we are so concerned with the thoughts of others what use is there in thoughts of our own?"

pretty sure its Oscar Wilde with that one.

BLessed Be

"Love is how it feels to recognize our essential unity. Awakening to oneness is the experience of Big Love. Knowing you are one with all, you find yourself in love with all." —Timothy Freke
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definitely agree with you

definitely agree with you there butterfly spirit. I don't know if I said it earlier but I've sometime seen an aura of the earth, almost like a thin veil of cloud or fog sitting over everything. I understand this not just to be an aura but also a veil between the planes that is made up of energies we use to call.

THe saying is that regardless of when or by whom or what, "the earth was made, it will be remade". I love that you pointed that out, reminded me that energies are here for our use, why buy a barbeque if you're a vegetarian? (I know u can cook other things on a barbie but u get my point). After all, accepting ourselves as Wiccan is pretty much accepting ourselves as conduits for the Will of the All and the Hand of the Goddess

Thankyou for putting that in persepctive, Peace

B

"Love is how it feels to recognize our essential unity. Awakening to oneness is the experience of Big Love. Knowing you are one with all, you find yourself in love with all." —Timothy Freke
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reincarnation question

I have been thinking about reincarnation again. I can't answer this question myself yet and am hoping some of you will help me look further into myself for my answers.  How does reincarnation account for world population growth?  As everyone knows, I believe in the subject, I am stuck on this one. I am open to any and all thoughts xoxo   

With Grace, Peace and Love, Samaya ~ Moon To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour. 'William Blake'
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I agree.  Words carry

I agree.  Words carry different connotations for different people and it is often the word itself that causes disagreement not the meanings we are trying to express when using them.  Have you ever read any books by Rudolf Steiner?  He started Anthroposophy and said that he wished he could change the name of it everyday so people could never say 'Oh Anthroposophy is this, this and this.'  He wanted it to be a living thing not boxed in by the connotations of a word.  He also wrote some interesting stuff on reincarnation as a means for evolution of the spirit. 

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I have no answers

but I do have som suggestions/ideas. I think ultimately how you explain this question depends on how you define the part of each of us that reincarnates.

First you have to decide if you think every person owns their own distinct soul/spark/life force, or if the energy that animates us is a smaller part of a larger entity. If you imagine we are all drops of a large ocean it could either be explained that these drops are divided into smaller pieces or that more of the large universal energy is divided - i.e. the increasing human numbers are causing more of the universal energy to be incarnated at any given time.

If you believe we are one soul that travles through incarnations this can either be explained as more animals/plants etc are being incarnated as humans as we eradicate more an more species. Alternatively it can be that the human numbers are increasing as the numbers of some other "mystery race" out there in the vast universe are decreasing.


These are just a few of my thoughs around this question. I am certain that there are other alternative explanations.

Blessings,

Gwennie

Brightest blessings, Michelle (formerly Gwennie) http://aspiralpath.wordpress.com/